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BeitragVerfasst am: Mo 17 Dez 2007, 19:22    Titel:  Гръцкият флот  

La Combattante IIa-class
P-72 Votses (Βότσης)
P-73 Pezopoulos (Πεζόπουλος)
P-74 Vlachavas (Βλαχάβας)
P-75 Maridakes (Μαριδάκης)
P-76 Tournas (Τουρνάς)
P-77 Sakires (Σακίρης)

La Combattante III-class
P-20 Laskos (Λάσκος)
P-21 Blessas (Βλέσσας)
P-22 Mykonios (Μυκόνιος)
P-23 Troupakes (Τρουπάκης)
P-24 Kavaloudes (Καβαλούδης)
P-25 Degiannes (Ντεγιάννης)
P-26 Xenos (Ξένος)
P-27 Simitzopoulos (Σιμιτζόπουλος)
P-28 Starakis (Σταράκης)

Super Vita-class
P-67 Roussen (Ρουσσεν)
P-68 Daniolos (Δανιολος)
P-69 Kristallidis (Κρυσταλλιδης)
P-70 Grigoropoulos (Γρηγοροπουλος)
P-71 Ritsos (Ριτσος)

DESIGN
The design of the 62 metres fast attack craft missile is based on the smaller Vita class crafts already in service with the Qatar Navy and similar-sized craft built for Oman and other countries.The ships, called the 'Roussen Class', are being constructed at the Elefsis yard near Athens,supervised by Vosper Thornycroft.Three ships were delivered and other two are being constructed.The Super Vita Class has a steel hull and aluminium superstructure,displacement 580t full load(size of a Corvette),dimensions(62m-9.5m-2.6m) ,and 35 knots full speed.It carries Exocet MM40 BlockII surface to surface missiles and RAM surface to air missiles.The ships are equipped with one Oto Melara 76mm and two 30mm oto Melara guns.


SHIPS
PGFG Roussen (P67) ,launced 12 November 2002,commissioned 20 December 2005
PGFG Daniolos (P68) ,launced 8 July 2003,commissioned 22 February 2006
PGFG Krystallidis (P69) ,launced 5 April 2004,commissioned 8 May 2006
PGFG Grigoropoulos (P70) ,Under construction
PGFG Ritsos (P71) ,Under construction

SPECIFICATIONS
Crew 45
Displacement 580t full load
Length 62m
Beam 9.5m
Draft 2.6m
Speed 35 knots
Endurance 7 days
Combat management system Tacticos
Surveillance radar MW08 3D
Electro-optical target tracker Mirador
Fire control system Sting BS
Radar Integrated Scout and Bridgemaster-E navigation radar
Communications ICS 2000
Surface-to-surface missile MM40 BlockII Exocet
Surface-to-air missile RAM
Main gun OTO-Melara Compatto 76 mm/62 cal.
30mm guns 2 x Oto Melara
Electronic support measures Argo Systems AR900
Decoys Sippican SRBOC
Diesel engines 4 x MTU 16V595 TE90 engines
Generators 3 x 250 kW
Propellers 4 x fixed pitch
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mo 30 Mдrz 2009, 08:39    Titel:  

DCNS Set for Frigate Talks with Greece
By PIERRE TRAN
Published: 25 Mar 14:18 EDT (18:18 GMT)
PARIS - DCNS is poised to open formal negotiations with Greece for the sale of up to six FREMM multimission frigates, said Alain Fougeron, the sales and marketing executive vice president at the French naval company.

"We are preparing for negotiations, which have not yet started," for four or six ships, including options, he said March 24. "We hope to close the negotiations as soon as possible. That goes for both sides."

Fougeron gave no price details on the 6,000-metric-ton Frégate Européene Multimission (FREMM), co-developed by France and Italy.

But the economic crisis has hit Greece hard, making it tougher for the government to pay for planned purchases of the new warships and combat aircraft.

DCNS asked European missile maker MBDA to be part of the French warship offer, which beat proposals from other companies, including Italy's version of the FREMM, Fougeron said. The Italian FREMM has a different combat management system, he said.

MBDA has Finmeccanica of Italy as a shareholder alongside EADS and BAE Systems.

DCNS has a cooperation agreement with local partner Elefsis Shipyards. DCNS last year opened an office in Athens.

In January, Greek Defense Minister Vangelis Meimarakis said the authorities had authorized bilateral talks with France to buy six FREMM warships and 15 Super Puma search-and-rescue helicopters.

The estimated price of a FREMM ship is about 500 million euros ($678 million).

DCNS believes the Hellenic Navy's difficulties in getting a German-built U-214 conventional submarine into service could be helpful in efforts to sell a French boat to Pakistan.

Meimarakis said that Greece is trying to renegotiate a contract for a German-built conventional submarine because of technical problems, Reuters reported Jan. 22. The German four-submarine contract is reported to be worth about four billion euros, with three other 214 boats under contract.

The difficulties of the Greek submarine, the Papanikolis, has probably led Pakistan to reconsider a planned buy of the 214 from Howaldstwerke Deutsche-Werft (HDW), leaving the door open to DCNS' Marlin, an all-French derivative of the Franco-Spanish Scorpene. HDW is part of Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems.

"We are in the game in Pakistan," Fougeron said.

The last of three Agosta 90 submarines built for Pakistan's Navy took to the sea in September, equipped with the Mesma air-independent propulsion (AIP) system, Fougeron said.

The AIP system, which allows the submarine to operate for longer periods underwater, has been used heavily and is working well, he said. Two earlier Agosta 90 submarines have been retrofitted with the air-independent propulsion system.


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Ако някой у нас мислеше с главата си, сега щеше да има възвращаемост на инвестицията за корвети. Още повече, че французите вече строят първата FREMM за Мароко, строят си първата за тях си, а тепърва се очаква Саудитска Арабия да поръча шест броя. Ние обаче ще купуваме лиценз, и ще закриваме едната си база........... за къде да бързаме ?!?! После някои ще чупят пръсти да ни обясняват защо трябва да дадем още една камара пари, ама тях кво ги бърка - ние ще плащаме.....
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BeitragVerfasst am: Di 22 Sep 2009, 20:34    Titel:  

TKMS to put the dispute on unpaid submarines into arbitration

08:57 GMT, September 22, 2009 defpro.com | The turbulences in Greek submarine procurement programme, which have been hampering any further progress for months, now reached their climax: After having accumulated arrears exceeding €520 million ($762 million) the Greek Ministry of Defence was informed on Monday by Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) that the contract for the construction of four submarines was terminated.

As ThyssenKrupp summed it up on Monday, “the Greek state has long ceased to honour its contractual obligations.” Although the submarines have been completed and are ready for delivery to the Greek Navy, the state refused to pay for the submarines due to technical shortcomings which have allegedly been discovered by the Greek Navy during sea trials in 2006.

As defpro.com already reported in late May (see: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/320/), the refusal to meet its contract obligations may also be due to the fact that Greece is facing a huge budget deficit and obviously decided to enter a sort of a complex “waiting game” in order to not have to meet all of the current payment obligations at the same time. Now, TKMS has decided to make an end to this waiting game and announced that it wishes to put the dispute with Greece into arbitration.

TKMS has been involved in two contracts with the Greek state. The first of the contracts, dubbed “Archimedes Project”, was for the procurement of four 214-class boats, which are also successfully operated by the German Navy. Those boats are fitted with a state-of-the-art fuel-cell technology, allowing it to operate submerged for a very long time. According to TKMS, all four were ready for delivery. The second contract has been concluded to retrofit three 209-class submarines with fuel-cell propulsion technology.

The first 214-class submarine, christened Papanikolis, was laid down in Kiel as far back as February 2001 and launched in April 2004. The contract planned for the manufacturing of the remaining three boats at the Hellenic Shipyards, near Athens, which just as HDW is now part of the German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) group. As soon as the Papanikolis started her sea trials, however, the Hellenic Navy found a veritable host of major and minor problems with the vessel, which until today has resulted in the refusal to accept her.

The Hellenic Navy declared that the submarine suffered from insufficient stability while sailing in rough sea conditions, heeling by as much as 35-58°. Beyond that they found that the AIP system became inoperable after a few hours and noted problems with the ISUS battle system. The official report of the Navy also said that sea water was leaking into the hydraulic systems and that the submarine was not quite as expected. Therefore, Papanikolis has been docked in Kiel since 2006.

German industry accepted some of the shortcomings liabilities and maintains to have finally fixed the problems, however, payment has still not been made. Some expert suggested that Greece has been intentionally protracting the problem in order to delay payments and renegotiate the price. In fact, Greek Defence Minister Evangelos Meimarakis said in January he would try to renegotiate the contract.

Since the delivery of the Papanikolis, TKMS insisted that the submarine “met all standards” and, subsequently, engaged into long and fruitless talks with the Greek government on the issue. In addition to the production of the submarines, TKMS has largely invested in modernising and expanding Hellenic Shipyards site, buying it in January 2005. According to TKMS is has provided Greece with the most modern yard to build non-nuclear submarines on the entire Mediterranean.

Back in May, a ray of hope had appeared, when the Chief of the Hellenic Navy General Staff, Vice Admiral Giorgos Karamalikis, was quoted as saying that the technical problems with the Type 214 submarine were being solved and that Greece could soon be in a position to accept the three follow-on vessels. According to the quote, HDW had been willing to keep the Papanikolis and try to sell it to another interested buyer, which may have been Poland.

Although recent reports do not refer to this earlier development, it seems that this alternative has not been successful, as TKMS has now clearly decided to terminate the contracts and to see that payment will finally be made by the Greek government.

http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/407/

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Интересно, Италия и Ю. Корея не са се оплаквали, но дали последните продажби на френските "Скорпен" не са се увеличили точно заради "гръцките" недостатъци ?!

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BeitragVerfasst am: Do 24 Mдrz 2011, 13:54    Titel:  

Гърция ще извади от въоръжение подводница и три ракетни катера
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do 24 Mдrz 2011, 14:49    Titel:  

"...ВМС на Гърция възнамеряват да извадят от въоръжение подвидницата "Глафкос" по проекта Type 209 (1100) и три ракетни катера клас "Вотсис" по проекта Combatante-IIA, съобщава ЦАМТО. Целта е да се съкратят разходите по поддръжката на остаряла военна техника и за обслужващият я личен състав..."

Съдбата ни се усмихва май....дали няма да ни ги подарят ако им се натиснем?
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do 24 Mдrz 2011, 21:09    Titel:  

Пушкин hat Folgendes geschrieben:
"...ВМС на Гърция възнамеряват да извадят от въоръжение подвидницата "Глафкос" по проекта Type 209 (1100) и три ракетни катера клас "Вотсис" по проекта Combatante-IIA, съобщава ЦАМТО. Целта е да се съкратят разходите по поддръжката на остаряла военна техника и за обслужващият я личен състав..."

Съдбата ни се усмихва май....дали няма да ни ги подарят ако им се натиснем?



хаааа това е добра идея още повече, че доколкото съм осведомен тя и комбатаните са ми набори и не знам за какво биха ставали ...някой има ли представа за техническото състояние на "Глафкос" ???.....и все пак и бг бюджета не е известно как ще се справи с този разход?!
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BeitragVerfasst am: Fr 25 Mдrz 2011, 09:01    Titel:  

А.....ми то и "Дръзки" ти е набор тогава, ама го взехме нали.....че и го платихме даже.....
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do 07 Apr 2011, 22:18    Titel:  

За амфибиите от серията Zubr,дето поръчваха миналата година гърците....знае ли се вече за нещо официално доставено..?Големи надежди се възлагаха на тия машини.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do 07 Apr 2011, 22:28    Titel:  

Гърците имат на въоръжение 4 бр. "Зубр"-и, последния приет беше през 2005 или 2006 г. Не съм чул да са поръчвали допълнително, но пък може и да бъркам.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Fr 08 Apr 2011, 08:44    Titel:  

Тия ги резнаха заради икономии.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htamph/articles/20100706.aspx

L180 (ex-717), (втора употреба от Русия)
L181 (ex-U421), from Ukraine (наполовина оборудван)
L183 from Russia (нов)
L182 from Russia (нов)

Но някъде в началото на 2009-та се говореше за съвместна поръчка с китайците на два нови,защото тези първите 180 и 181 са с изчерпан ресурс,стара серия и вече няма части за тях.После се развихри дълговата криза и...така и не се разбра официално какво стана с тия машини.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Fr 08 Apr 2011, 09:39    Titel:  

Гърци
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BeitragVerfasst am: Fr 08 Apr 2011, 20:49    Titel:  

Мхм...това са въпросните машинки.На практика няма аналог при десантни операции-движи се със 120 км/ч по вода,стига до брега и изсипва директно на сушата 500 десантчици и 5 танка.Куполните картечници на новия модел "зубри" са от тия:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHk7yUzHCWI
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BeitragVerfasst am: Sa 09 Apr 2011, 09:24    Titel:  

И къде видя "нови" МДКВП ?"Най-новият" е L-183 "Закинтос"(2004 г. производство).А тези които са в състава на БФ на РФ("Мордовия" и "Евгений Кочешков"") са 1990 и 1991 г производство.И всички "Зубри" са с АК-630.АК-630М2 никога няма да бъде приет на въоражение поради простата причина,че още с АК-630/РЛС МР-123 "Вимпел" си имат проблем с ПУВН(пълен ъгъл на вертикално насочване) и ПУГН(пълен ъгъл на хоризонтално насочване),или с други думи казано ,тъй като РЛС и АК не са в един блок(като "Вулкан" или "Голкипър") точноста на стрелбата не надвишава 50-60%,а пък при АК-630М2 с неговите вибрации забрави да му поставят "отгоре" РЛС(затова руснаците преминаха към поставянето на корабите си на ЗРАК "Клинок","Каштан"и т.н.).
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BeitragVerfasst am: Sa 09 Apr 2011, 10:33    Titel:  

Не съм попадал на много подробна информация за въоръжението на тия съдове.Само картечниците са дадени и някакви малки ракети имаше.По това,което съм чел,предимството на тия съдове не е в някаква голяма огнева мощ или огромен товар,който да носят,а именно в скорста им на придвижване и способноста да навлизат сравнително дълбоко на сушата.
Горе дадох линк към статия,според която двете най-стари машини (явно са тези,купени от Украйна),ще ги бракуват заради скъпата поддръжка.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Sa 09 Apr 2011, 12:29    Titel:  

Zitat:
Само картечниците

Калибър от 20 мм. на горе се смята за оръдие. АК-630 е "Артилерийски Комплекс" - 630 (6 цевен, 30-милиметров)

Zitat:
предимството на тия съдове не е в някаква голяма огнева мощ или огромен товар,който да носят,а именно в скорста им на придвижване и способноста да навлизат сравнително дълбоко на сушата.

Е те ако не носят товар, по-добре да пратят моторници от морската Формула-1. Пък и какъв ще го търсят дълбоко в сушата, на територията на противника, нали правят десант ?! Wink

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